#what

[delephantz]

so im in stream chat
and im like juri is really bad and they made her better in usf
and obviously ppl gonna be like she's not bad
and im like ok well playing juri is a terrible idea

and then they're like yea 
"she's supposed to be a zoner who can pressure and she's not that good at either"
then
"she's like a bad akuma with no vortex"

and i'm like what
akuma has air fireball, sweep, teleport, shoto dp, big damage, vortex

and he's like "yea it was a bad comparison but it works"
and i'm like what how

and he's like "stop thinking so linearly del"


=x

same person insisted that pr rog and yipes don't practice marvel, thus marvel sucks because you don't need to practice to be good at it ???

[boozy]

[Deleted]

juri is rushdown, she can zone poorly, she can anti zone fairly efficiently though, her in any defensive position is a bad place to be because anything outside of ex pinwheel is a no no for escaping pressure, and a teleport can be baited.

she's fascinating because her normals are fairly good and her fireballs can make somewhat annoying pressure and make certain approaches somewhat unsafe.

Her ultra 1 is better in usf4, her as an entire character being better is questionable, losing the ability to dive kick while jumping backwards and losing the immediate option to ground air opponents,a and trade/stop srks with J.HP is a yikes one imo, also taking damage on teleports means its no longer an option at low health.

[delephantz]

she is def. better overall in usf, her stand jab buff to hit crouchers, far mp buff to be cancelable, mid ex fireball hit crouchers, ultra double, 5f cr mk instead of 6f, 4f far lk instead of 5f, ex pinwheel buff, ex dive kick buff, are all very useful

[rokmode]

2/10

[Deleted]

everyone has 2 ultras now but they both get weaker :/

its useful stuff but it certainly doesn't look like anything that'd make anybody want to play her or jump ship.

i dont think any nay sayers were like, 'man if this mk was 1 frame faster, she'd wreck house" for whats looking like a definitive version its feel kinda oh.. ok. cool?

Then again, sf4, im not really all on top of that game, but her changes certainly don't feel like enough in a positive way for me to rush to usf4, for a whole new improved exp. 

[delephantz]

1f cr MK lets her combo off far ranged cr LKs for more damage. it's not the craziest change but all of those things add up. juri is one of the few ppl who likes ultra double, a shorter ultra 1 doesn't hurt too much as you're really playing for 1-2 setups when you activate it, and having ultra 2 lets her threaten bigger damage off ex dives, j mp air to air, and corner fuhajin stores more readily. she'll more often use ultra 1, but ultra 2 is a good thing to have for burst damage.

there's really only one draw to usf4 imo, and it's competition. if you're looking for the biggest pool of players, the biggest prize pots, the biggest tournaments, etc. usf4 is the best game, and sf4 has proven to be the most stable (marvel 3 was the most popular for the past 2-3 years now it's waning, and sf4 has the most entrants again). i think it's a bad game but the upcoming game does reduce the focus on vortex and put more emphasis on silly footsies.

guilty gear does not look that interesting but if it gets players in (i'm assuming it'll be strong for maybe 1 year, then get in evo a 2nd year but die after that) then that's good for the anime scene. there's too many niche anime games that most people aren't going to be willing to pick up that are coming, bbcp 1.1, uniel, dengeki bunko, p4u2, and that's just going to be miserable overall no matter how fun or cool or terrible those games end up being.

[Deleted]

im not looking for heavy comp. Just fun.

Its not just the size of tournaments or prize money or id just follow flavor of the week. Its been nearly half decade and sf4 has ran its course for me and there's nothing wrong with that. its fun for like 5 matches but after that im over it and nothing iltra is adding character wise or change wise has changed that opinion for me.

[delephantz]

yea it's pretty stale

[delephantz]

lol taking away juri's 5f cr mk. honestly it would have been pretty silly - 3 crLK 1 crMK xx HK pinwheel is 180 damage. off of mashing crouch tech! that's pretty crazy